Diagnosis. Doctor. Call. Postponement.

[bosa]

Draft board is the proper responder, well and that, that the judge does assert something different, let it will replace as far as other if it does consider it necessary, only on whom it will change without exceeding the scope of 12 main ? itself about this without suspecting drove in itself beside the angle.
left to .

[Satyrecom]

Draft board is the proper responder, well and that, that the judge does assert something different, let it will replace as far as other if it does consider it necessary, only on whom it will change without exceeding the scope of 12 main ? itself about this without suspecting drove in itself beside the angle.

[RASpberriec]

Judge ended the civil matter (it shut) because PK ended call (as in you), and doctor of the made the decision about complete draftee cannot be judged.
Fellow appealed illegal Court decision.





Our Satyricon disappeared.

[bosa]

they read .
aha, something I not all understood

[RASpberriec]

RESPONDER
PK not .. But the solution about the fitness was carried on the basis incorrect with the crude violations ., i.e., of wine of the doctor of the recognized boy completely by healthy and capable of performing.
boza, did read . before Peter?

[bosa]

Here are such requirements in us before initiation petition.
I PLEASE:
1. to recognize the resolution of the draft board of the united military commissariat Of the region Moscow dated December 7, 2007 after illegal, to revoke this decision.
2. on the basis articles 23, 28 , the articles 25- V of the timetable of the diseases of position about the military- medical examination, to bind RESPONDER to recognize me the fit for limited duty and to free me based on the call down the military service.

[RASpberriec]

Only PK.





Again, we wait Satyricon…

[bosa]

in your responders who?
Only PK.

[RASpberriec]

*** In the fall of 2004 draftee l. turned himself beside the Neva law court as the responder by it was declared not only draft board, but also doctor, who leads by work on the physical examination of citizens, who are subject down call down the military service. The examination of the matter left as a result of the framework of call. The solution about the call l. was abolished as not realized, and it forewent the requirements at the point of the draft board. By the determination of Neva law court civil matter was ended, moreover before the substantiation of determination about the curtailment of production it was on business indicated, that the conclusion of the doctor of draft board cannot be disputed before the judicial order. On February 7, 2005 by the determination of judicial board for the civil matters of St. Petersburg city court for particular complaint l. the determination of Neva law court was abolished. Thus the judgment of the subject of federation was confirmed the right of citizen to dispute before the judicial order not only resolution of draft board, but also the sums of physical examination, Saint Petersburg with the statement about of the resolution of draft board. i.e. the lawfulness of setting one or other category or another of fitness at the point of the military service opposite the health status. ***
We wait Satyricon and apparently it is necessary to give “claim with the precise requirements” and to draw as of the doctor of leading . , in your responders who? You will resemble, . Only PK?

[bosa]

to . Judges
For sure she thinks that we precisely this want. We take away its time and by circle enemies.
Raspberries, and where it is possible to look apropos that PK, - this is the proper responder?

[Satyrecom]

Generally usually before the vessels in order to become acquainted for the sake of the materials of the matter they write petition about the acquaintance, judge places resolution, that not against, they go beside the office they show and they become acquainted with the petition. I do not know can in you on other, can before the office immediately on the petition they will give. Learn this moment themselves.
Petition about the transfer is possible through the office.
About 19.20 - statement before the police down the military registration and enlistment office, they did send?
But that you about the requirement about the enrollment in the reserve nothing did say?

[bosa]

It is necessary to take petition and to become acquainted with the materials of the matter.
Only personally to the judge of him it is possible?





How there was no protocol?
Probably, it was nevertheless, it wrote something.





How session was generally conducted can describe?
Well approximately thus: they neglected us, personalities explained, asked about our requirements, we confirmed, military registration and enlistment office said its objections that on December 7 the brother in them was not (brother for some reason this it confirmed, before the statement they corrected date on December 10), they then gave the copy of the extractions, which I it laid out, they said that draft board - not proper responder and that the resolution of draft board is abolished. Then judge it began to make from us idiots, I wrote above: you do support your requirements? You do insist beyond the cancellation of the solution, which is already abolished? What juridical sense will have this solution?
I said that we want so that the resolution of draft board would be abolished before the judicial order, that we will not take away our statement, since otherwise we statement down these bases will not give.
Judge it thirsted so that something would speak my brother, but not i.
But when I asked in girl, is there in them license down the occupation by medical activity, me they answered, that there is no license, and judge it began to be agitated, that we generally, still devised some license.
Further she said, that by her everything is understandable that it explained everything and that let we walk, if to us it can't be helped. The date of new session was appointed. Approximately thus.
We asked to place mark before the agenda and to give new agenda. Brother remained to wait agenda, I was forced to urgently go home. It turned out that when we left the hall, responder remained there with the judge.





If you will lie down down the hospital necessary to give petition about the transfer of session.





This to me is unknown. There are some measures for action on us, if we are not without the valid reason?

[Satyrecom]

It is necessary to take petition and to become acquainted with the materials of the matter.
How there was no protocol?
How session was generally conducted can describe?
If you will lie down down the hospital necessary to give petition about the transfer of session.

[bosa]

the answer before
4 times "

[RASpberriec]

Terribly comp., but the answer before must reach, verify.
boza, until you do everything correctly. Now young fellow to hospitalize, to obtain NORMAL epicrisis. When boy lie- already write the following “finesses”.

[bosa]

The solution about the call abolishes only the law court
Judge it isowent, proving to us, that we are idiots, who thirst the cancellation through the law court of the fact that also is so already abolished.

[bosa]

is today actual brake, questions it did not see





1. that at the point of the paper they did show? They did introduce to the matter?
Paper I here hung out, ugly, extraction from the protocols.
The protocol of from 10, but this all was accurately on December 7.





2. petitions did make?





3. how did end session (by determination about the transfer of the matter)?
Was appointed date other, they asked. agenda is necessary, we said that it was necessary.





4. there were representatives from the military registration and enlistment office or from the draft board?
There were, some stout person and girl, who was it seems the deputy chairman of draft board. She said that the draft board - is the not proper responder.

Raspberries, and if it will be in the hospital, this will be the valid reason for failure to appear beside the law court?
Yes.

[bosa]

Raspberries, and if it will be in the hospital, this will be the valid reason for failure to appear beside the law court?

[RASpberriec]

boza, go with the boy in of . independently. Method to 12.00 on the receipt of 640., they bring dispensary map and they will write down that “It is hospitalization”. A question of turn is solved easily, they can hospitalize literally through week- will agree . of hospital. Finesses, , beside .
But on Monday to . of shelf down the personal method, the direction down the consultation (not beside the hospital!) They will give to you unambiguously and boy on will be hospitalized.

[RASpberriec]

This to Satyricon, I do not manage.





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[bosa]

Raspberries, and here apropos that PK - this the not proper responder… where to look, that being proper?

[RASpberriec]

to say to us nothing they gave.
to only through the expedition.
Just in case, for the backup insurance prepare “initiation petition refined and augmented by requirements”. As you will understand that the matter turns around not beside your benefit and the judge orally (!) it will refuse before the direction of demands - give with the copies for the responders. Judge obligated will be again transfer . and process it will begin first.

[bosa]

Specifically.

[RASpberriec]

We simply communicated them before the session through the office (or expedition?), to say to us nothing they gave.

[bosa]

We simply communicated them before the session through the office (or expedition?), to say to us nothing they gave.

[RASpberriec]

They did not assign.
Well it is bad.
By the way, law court they transferred precisely on the subjects in writing (!) through the expedition “to petitions”. But would state before 24.01.08 g. before law court- would be oral failure and …
Thus, it seems it was tangled! You orally before . did declare about “the petitions” or they did give to judge before the presence of the responder of the copy “of petitions”?

[bosa]

They did not assign.

[RASpberriec]

Any “petitions” are examined before the judicial session before the presence of responder. Responder can object.





if answer down them will be positive, then session again will be transferred?
Yes. But it is not worthwhile to calculate, judge already it gave to understand on whose side. Therefore you will not miss time.
boza, you assigned at the end “petitions” that you request to give written (!) answer down your application?

[bosa]

written (!) the failure
these were petition about the request of medical documentation, they will examine them in the course of session? i.e., when answer down them will be positive, then session again will be transferred?

[bosa]

satyricon, I beside will write

[RASpberriec]

On the basis st. 30 “the bases of legislation RF about the protection of the health of citizens” and within the framework the realization of my right down the selection of the doctor in attendance and medical establishment, I please to give out direction before (name of health center).
A little not thus. Right of citizen to obtain the consultation of another specialist. It is single!
Not to be fastened down .., not to change shelf or doctor, but to only obtain usual medical consultation.
satyricon, is not must “rent”, it is not worthwhile to write quickly . To young fellow before . and so by the already red knob of .





But to fight 100% is necessary, in order to this judicial , which was ripened against you together with the green it obtained finally on the merits!

[Satyrecom]

boza, understand ACTUALLY competent jurist before the draftable matters still necessary to look, many even having arrived beside the law court with the jurist they nevertheless write down the forum, since not all jurists they are oriented before given questions.
But the specialized boards (I will not give references and names is, since forbidden by the rules of forum) and other committees of soldier mothers, they are created in order to collaborate with the military registration and enlistment office and to pump out money from the draftees, at the point of the fact that is assumed to the latter according to the law. And money I to you will say small, so that think.
But to fight 100% is necessary, in order to this judicial , which was ripened against you together with the green it obtained finally on the merits!

[Satyrecom]

It is necessary to write paper beside the district health center:
=========================
To head physician (name of shelf)
the address
from
FIO
the address
Statement
on the delivery of the direction
I FIO am observed before (name of health center) apropos (to indicate diagnosis).
On the basis st. 30 “the bases of legislation RF about the protection of the health of citizens” and within the framework the realization of my right down the selection of the doctor in attendance and medical establishment, I please to give out direction before (name of health center).
I please to introduce the present statement to dispensary map FIO, to examine my rotation from the period established by law, to give the written answer of the actually assigned questions.
Number! Signature!

[RASpberriec]

we in no way can attain in the district health center of direction. They rang already beside neurology - it is there ready to accept with the direction from any doctor, and in the health center were rested all here, intimidated such, that whether…
! Before your shelf they do not know that such “constitution”, generally I keep silent about “the bases of the protection of health”. Words are not sufficient!
We go down . of shelf, 2 copies “of statement”.
“I please to ensure delivery to me direction down the consultation in . of Kozhevnikov of . (. 11). The consultation of the neurologist OF is necessary apropos my poor health after ”.
Or approximately so, but without “the rent”. You do not complain, you do not request, but you resemble . of shelf about its responsibilities. No one it concerns where why. I want , give direction down the consultation!
Personal methods on Mondays with 15.00 conduct all . of city. Let us say they tomorrow gave “statement”, and on Monday with 15.00. You in .. . is caused . (or it rings), a question is resolved 5 seconds.

[bosa]

Raspberries, we in no way can attain in the district health center of direction. They rang already beside neurology - it is there ready to accept with the direction from any doctor, and in the health center were rested all here, intimidated such, that whether…

[RASpberriec]

I think that we themselves will not manage.
Judging as far as the position of judge similarly that so… copy before with any our jurist or you will place declaration before the division “of service”.
boza, patience to you and to young fellow! You will examine after all a question of hospitalization beside neurology: you will obtain qualitative extraction with the normal diagnoses (neurologist before the regiment simply dully it will rewrite beside .), you will put off . at the point of the month.

[bosa]

satyricon, all this was generally abominable, judge spoke intentionally so that I it was understood on the minimum, it smashed, it did not give to me to say, there were impolite fallings out.





Brother now rang and posed the interesting question: and why we did leave from the hall, and responder did remain with the judge? what to me was it answer? I said that for sure this is not the first visit of responder to the judge.
They pressed terribly, judge several times said to us to turn down the jurists.
I think that we themselves will not manage.

[Satyrecom]

The solution about the call abolishes only law court or higher PK (PK of city).
boza, do not impede answer questions.

[RASpberriec]

you confuse with the map of the physical examination of the citizen of the subject down call on
Possibly. But military registration and enlistment office represented beside the law court “extraction from the protocol” (.)

[RASpberriec]

Raspberries, and about the petitions, which we did give before the judicial session, already it is possible to learn? in judge to ask?
To you not words are necessary, but written (!) failure on “the petitions”, down which you will give complaints.
“Petitions” will be examined before the judicial session of 05.02.08 before the presence of responder.
To ask that is possible, money they will not take.





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[bosa]

Raspberries, and about the petitions, which we did give before the judicial session, already it is possible to learn? in judge to ask?

[RASpberriec]

there is no its matter before the office
This is bad.





to 1. will rewrite completely (!) the protocol of judicial session up to the point -must will have time to give observations and objections. to 2. the certified copy “the determinations of law court about the excitation of civil matter.” 3. to take the copy “of the objection” of responder at the point of the action. 4. to rewrite all hemmed sheets locating before the matter. 5. to rewrite FIO and envoyships of responder. 6. tax to judge under the painting “petition” about the removal of copies from the material of the matter by its camera: 1 copy is hemmed beside the matter, boy will take away with himself by the 2nd, he will prove useful.

[bosa]

Raspberries, here brother before the law court now, it rang - there is no its matter before the office does not have, it the judge. Went to become acquainted with the materials on business to it.

[RASpberriec]

But I so understand, that are first necessary the turnings to some psychiatrist.
In boy goes .. To 05.02.08 must be . according to which NG, or is given postponement opposite the health status.
Today in the draftee of that acknowledged suitable at the point of combatant only “conclusion” from the shelf of № 156 which is not competent: to treat the written diagnoses will be beside its benefit- SUITABLE.
Turning to what the - presence beside district , where to the young fellow they bring .. Military registration and enlistment office will direct demand in , then will be sent draftee beside the hospital for affirming for the first time established disease of ..
In there is the incoming psychiatrist- consultant. The fact of rotation and consultations beside the epicrisis will not introduce (it is possible to request to introduce + the cipher of disease), but on the hands it will be “conclusion” with the recommendations. Plus “the conclusion” of .
boza, you do not hurry to , if only for the postponement. You does disturb the state of brother precisely before the plan of psychiatry?
Previously she wrote about obtaining of consultation and delivering “the conclusion” with the recommendations up the treatment before . . District neurologist is obligated to give direction. Consultation can be obtained and through the . department , but assigned nothing will be. If after inspection boy will be acknowledged completely healthy before the plan of psychiatry, then…

[bosa]

will give out direction beside district
But I so understand, that are first necessary the turnings to some psychiatrist.

[RASpberriec]

The point “g” includes the states of the steadfast (not less than 1 year) compensation for unhealthy manifestations after acute disease or injury of the brain in the absence of mental disorders and phenomena of the organic defeat of the central nervous system, when there are only separate scattered organic signs, without the disturbance of functions.
will give out direction beside district , they there bring .. There is great probability of hospitalization in .

[bosa]

it is possible to learn that precisely they did decide “in psychiatry”?
Yes, 14 articles, asthenoneurotic syndrome.

[RASpberriec]

Brother not against.
boza, it is possible to learn that precisely they did decide “in psychiatry”? Disease neurologic, in the form of insignificant psychiatric disturbances are located completely sufficient for the servicemen.
But here to be freed about this article .

[bosa]

What in psychiatry they did solve?
Brother not against.
But I… to me a little less forces to spend, me conscience torments, I to my child already one-and-a-half month of attention do not sufficiently give.

[Satyrecom]

Raspberries, you do confuse with the map of the physical examination of the citizen of the subject down call on , it must be before the private affair, law court did introduce the private affair of draftee?

[RASpberriec]

You descend then





down the extraction
Not extraction, and the complete copy of protocol , with the records not of the 2nd doctors (there are no +=), and with the records of all doctors OF including entire assumed diagnostics and results of analyzes not later than 1 months (importantly!). But “consequences ” assume required I flay EEG, , roentgen (kt ) of ..

[Satyrecom]

You do descend then, necessary to still give relation down the extraction and to become acquainted for the sake of the protocol of law court, the extraction of military registration and enlistment office they did introduce to the matter?

[bosa]

You go down the judge
If in judge already did end method, then where with the paper?

[RASpberriec]

Here is paper from
It is normal thus! Of records only from the neurologist and the oculist and there are no “complaints!”.
Require not extraction, but the copy of protocol . Tax petition beside the law court.
Boy let will give through . “statement”. “I please to give out the certified copy of the determination of law court for my initiation petition from similar that”.

[Satyrecom]

You go down the judge here with this paper. It on it places resolution and you become acquainted with the materials of the matter, you remove each sheet down the digital camera.
=====================
Before ______________ the law court
!!! __________
Matter of №
Judge of ____________
PLAINTIFF: !!! FIO
living for the sake of the address
!!! Address
RESPONDER: The draft board of ______________.
!!! the address
From
!!! FIO
living for the sake of the address:
!!! the address
Applicant on business about of the resolution of the draft board of __________
PETITION
On the acquaintance with the materials of the matter.
Before the production of law court is found the matter for statement FIO about of the resolution of draft board (name) from (date)
On the basis article 35 RF, I please to grant down me the possibility to become acquainted for the sake of the materials of the matter.
Date: “_” of ____________2008. Signature: __________
===================== the end of the petition of ==================

[RASpberriec]

the Gluck- reloading

[bosa]

Here is paper from the VK. It is evidently very bad, I can rewrite text.
Images
Type of the file: jpg (45.0 KB, 7 it is review)

[RASpberriec]

extraction from the protocol from 10.12.2007 (type the protocol of )





Now brother will break into a run to give statement so that they would give out the .
The pair of seconds, our pro of satyricon will prompt as competently to write.